I’ve mentioned before that the New American Bible has some extremely sketchy footnotes. By buying into liberal theology, the original NAB editors slip in all sorts of absurdities into the footnotes. Let’s take a concrete example of this — John 21. First, some Scriptural background:
- In Luke 5, as Jesus was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret (Luke 5:1), He commissions Peter to cast his nets into the water (Luke 5:4). Peter does, and despite having had no luck catching anything all night (Luke 5:5), in obeying Christ, they bring in an enormous catch of fish, which begins to tear the nets (Luke 5:6). Peter then says to Christ, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” (Luke 5:8). Jesus then calls Peter to become a fisher of men (Luke 5:10). Peter is with James and John and unnamed others when this occurs (Luke 5:9-10).
- Then you have John 21:1-19, the post-Resurrection appearance of Christ to the Apostles “by the Sea of Galilee” while “Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee’s sons, and two others of His disciples” (John 21:2) are fishing. After an unsuccessful night of fishing Christ tells them to cast their nets over the right side of the boat, and they catch such a large amount of fish that they can’t bring it in (John 21:6). Later, Christ commissions Peter to bring in the net, and he’s able to do it single-handedly (John 21:10-11). I’ve looked at the implications of this before. But Christ segues to His commission of Peter as shepherd of the sheep (John 21:15-17).
There’s a lot of theological meat there to chew on. Christ has made Himself manifest in a way that reminds the Apostles, and particularly Peter, of their original agreement: to become fishers of men. He then show Peter that not only does he need to Evangelize (that is, “catch” the fish), but he has to lead as a Pastor (to continually tend and care for the sheep). The first event is foreshadowing the second, but they’re clearly two separate events.
Nevertheless, the NAB is convinced that this means it must be the same event. The footnotes says:
There are many non-Johannine peculiarities in this chapter, some suggesting Lucan Greek style; yet this passage is closer to John than John 7:53-8:11. There are many Johannine features as well. Its closest parallels in the synoptic gospels are found in Luke 5:1-11 and Matthew 14:28-31. Perhaps the tradition was ultimately derived from John but preserved by some disciple other than the writer of the rest of the gospel. The appearances narrated seem to be independent of those in John 20. Even if a later addition, the chapter was added before publication of the gospel, for it appears in all manuscripts.
And:
This may be a variant of Luke’s account of the catch of fish; see the note on Luke 5:1-11.
It’s an outrageous statement. It’s only a variant if John or Luke is lying, since they both specify the time and place, and they don’t match up. Nor would this be a mistake. The whole point in John 21 is that it’s a Resurrection appearance of Christ, while in Luke 5, it’s Jesus at the very start of His ministry.
Besides being faithless, it’s silly. They’re i at different times (start of Jesus’ ministry v. after His Resurrection), with different people, and while the nets begin to tear in Luke 5:6, John says that the nets don’t tear at all in John 21:11. Virtually none of the details are the same other than: they’re fishing, and after Christ miraculously causes a great catch of fish, He uses this as a metaphor for Evangelization — and specifically Peter’s role as earthly head of the Church.
But none of this is surprising or requires a conspiracy theory, since four of the Apostles are fishermen, including Peter. You might as well assert that any story that someone says happened “while I was at work” must have happened on the same day as all of their other work stories. Fishing is Peter’s job. And the connection between fishing and Evangelization is an obvious metaphor for Christ to pick up upon: there are numerous fishing and shepherding references in the Gospels. Besides that, Christ builds upon the fishing metaphor here in a way He doesn’t in Luke 5. It’s much more sensible to view John 21 as a fulfillment of Luke 5, in the same way that the Crucifixion is a fulfillment of Abraham’s sacrifice of Isaac, rather than the same story.
Wow. Thank God you know better than the bishops, the successors of the Apostles. I mean, we’d be lost without you.
lkvwdvd, was it your impression that the bishops personally wrote the NAB footnotes? Or that all of the bishops agreed that these were of equal merit?
If your argument is merely one of pointing to the Magisterium, read what the Vatican says about the historicity of the Biblical writings. If your argument is something more than that, defend it. How is it possible for a faithful Christian to affirm that at least one of the two Gospel-writers is making up stories?
Thanks for taking it apart, Joe. It really does look ridiculous when you take the time to stop and look at it.
@lkvwdvd (who I will henceforth call Luke David for short), the Bishops do not have a guarantee of infallibility, despite appearances. Yes, they are blessed to be called to lead us in the faith, but infallibility in the Catholic Church is reserved for the Pope and the Bishops in communion with him. (emphasis mine, doctrine Catholic).
It is sad to see the bishops involvement with the NAB. I don’t know of any bible scholar that prefers the NAB. It’s footnotes are not consistent with the tradition of the church. It’s rendering of the Greek is generally less accurate than other translations. So why have it? If the bishops would pick another translation then we could all just ignore it.
Yes, stick with the Douay-Rheims, the rest is junk.
Can you clarify please? What makes you say that the two events took place in two different places? Just curious.
Tancred,
What makes you describe those other Bibles as “junk”?
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Justcurious,
Originally, it was a mistake — I didn’t realize that the Lake of Gennesaret is another way of describing the Sea of Galilee. But it turns out that I was inadvertently correct.
Peter, James, and Andrew lived in Bethsaida, northeast of the Sea (John 1:44). This is almost certainly where Luke 5 took place, since Luke depicts them unloading their boats and cleaning off their nets at the end of the day.
John 21, in contrast, is believed to have occurred at Tabgha, Israel, on the northwestern shore. The Church of the Primacy of St. Peter is there, and there’s been a church there since at least the fourth century.
Re the first, snotty, comment: I have noticed that the people who make that sort of statement are also the ones who strut and crow like one of my roosters (the bantam ones) about how they are members of the baptismal common priesthood and all the luxe entitlements thereto. Can’t have it both ways.
Thinking for myself, John 21 is a fulfilment of Luke 5.
The Term “Fishes” refers to those being baptized. They would be pulled in by nets- this is done by the “Fishers of men.” This was probably done close to the jetty. The priest would walk on the jetty and this was called “Walking on water.” What is happening here- is that Jesus (Yeshua) is having the disciples pull in the people who are being baptised (immersed).
Respectfully, no.
Jesus pulls people in to be saved from our sins.
We are then baptized BECAUSE we are saved, a confirmation. We are never baptized TO be saved.
That’s not what Peter said on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2. The people asked him “What must we do to be saved?” and Peter replied, repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins.
In Acts 22:16, it says baptism washes away your sins. Can you be saved without dealing with the problem of sin?
In 1 Peter 3:21, it saves “baptism now saves you”.
I realize that it’s not popular in many faith traditions, but baptism and salvation are certainly intertwined in the text of scripture.
it *says “baptism now saves you”
It says repent–be sorry for your sins (be forgiven) and be baptized. Baptism does not save you, or why did Jesus need to come if John the Baptist was baptizing? Jesus never baptized any one; that was done by his disciples.